Comments on: Kommand – An AutoHotKey Script that does VIM-Like Text Editing and Window Management

By: Kylir

Kylir — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:06:48 +0000

It shouldn’t take too much work to get some of the basic key mappings going, I just need to move things around. I’ll do something over the weekend and put up a new post. We should probably just communicate over email.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:58:00 +0000

Looks like the gurus on the mailing list are helping you out, though…

So back to the original discussion: What’s the prognosis for modifying your script to make it more “Vimpatible”? (Hey, sounds like a cool name…) With my overloaded schedule, I don’t want to start on it, if you’re already in the process…

By: Kylir

Kylir — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:00:26 +0000

No, unfortunately not. Although I do like his gui and nogui custom command ideas.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:34:25 +0000

Does anything here help: http://kyle.baley.org/CategoryView,category,Tools.aspx

By: Kylir

Kylir — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:36:48 +0000

Last night I took the time to figure out a solution to a number of annoying things with Vimperator and now I’ve got it set up so that it is pretty usable for me, including fixes for the annoying pasting issues I was having.

The only thing I would like to figure out is how to do site-specific key mappings. Since Remember the Milk uses the escape key all over the place, it would be cool if I could do two things:
1. Automatically go into pass-through mode so I can send any keystroke I want. So something like autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys = /www\.rememberthemilk\.com\/home\/[^/]+\/#section\.tasks/.test(buffer.URL).

2. I need a way to send the escape keystroke while in insert mode and drop back to pass-through mode after sending it. I’ve tried inoremap and inoremap , but they haven’t quite worked right.

Another solution to this whole thing would to have a way to completely disable Vimperator in every way for just Remember the Milk. Anyway, I think I’ll just join the mailing list and ask away.

By the way, I found a way cool extension called jV that enables Vi keybindings inside textareas. If you use it, make sure you put inoremap into your vimperatorrc file, which will solve Escape conflicts between Vimperator and jV in textareas.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:50:02 +0000

Hmmmm – I think that’s beyond the scope of my knowledge at this point, too. However, I’m SURE somebody on the vimperator@mozdev.org mailing list would know. Are you subscribed to that list? Or I could ask the questions in your behalf…

By: Kylir

Kylir — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:59:37 +0000

I actually already knew about the autocmd LocationChange thing. For me, it only partially works. The only problem with it is that escape still pulls me out of pass through mode and I use escape pretty heavily on Remember the Milk. Is there a way to override keystrokes for specific sites?

When I say paste, I mean pasting into text boxes mostly. It is okay that I have to press ctrl+v twice for normal places, but when I’m in that pass-through mode, things go all crazy. It seems like either pasting is disabled or it’ll take me out of pass-through. Sometimes something will happen with Vimperator and I end up having to restart Firefox completely. It would be nice to remap ctrl+v when I’m in pass through + insert mode to be normal ctrl+v. Do you know what I mean?

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:15:06 +0000

As for the keystroke conflicts, I stole this line from somebody:

:autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys = /mail\.google\.com|www\.google\.com\/reader\/view/.test(buffer.URL)

If you put it in your vimperatorrc file, it’ll disable Vimperator’s keystrokes when you’re in a tab with google mail or google reader in the url.

Can you elaborate a little more on the copy/paste problem? I’m sure there’s a way around it…

By: Kylir

Kylir — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:46:14 +0000

Haha, nice. I’m also using Vimperator and ViEmu, although I’m more of a newbie at it all. I started using ViEmu shortly after I released Kommand and I was thinking the same idea. Well, I will definitely get something together and update Kommand sometime when I get a chance.

One thing about Vimperator that drives me nuts is how it conflicts with keystrokes on some sites, like Remember the Milk and Gmail. I also hate pasting with it, as I’ll often paste content from outside Firefox. Do you have any suggestions on getting around those annoyances?

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:41:12 +0000

Well, it’s very interesting that you ask that, because I was planning on doing just that myself. I really like the idea of having them mirror VIM as much as possible – there’s nothing like having a common interface. I’ve been using Vimperator for Firefox for almost a year now and I’d hate to think how much slower I’d be without it. Obviously, you can’t have a browser interface EXACTLY match Vim’s keystrokes, but they’ve done an incredible job of making them match every place it makes sense. And the same goes for ViEmu for Visual Studio, which I also use habitually, and wouldn’t want to do without. I’d love to see the same thing in a more generic Windows interface, like Kommand. So, short answer: I think it’s a fantastic idea!

By: Kylir

Kylir — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:41:10 +0000

I am still updating it, although this version should be stable enough to use as-is. I really like the concept of Kommand, but I may change it up a bit and make the keybindings mirror exactly those of VIM. What would you think of that? (Right now the keybindings are quite different from VIM, although I think Kommand is easier to pick up than VIM.)

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:02:29 +0000

I’m very interested in Kommand – are you still updating it, or have you found it to be stable enough for use as it is? Thanks!!!

By: Kylir

Kylir — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:58:22 +0000

PS – What happened to fielz?

By: Kylir

Kylir — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:57:36 +0000

It’s all about saving time so you can waste time on things like Vegas and fried chick-un.

By: Karl Malone

Karl Malone — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:28:35 +0000

I want to be a computer ninja!! But i find that if i take more time using the mouse and keyboard, i can waste more company time and money!!!

j/k

I had the program installed on one of my laptops, and it did help out a lot. great post!